The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut Mark 4

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DaveHolmes pointed out some 1995 - 1996 discussion of The Thief and the Cobbler, where animator Darlie Brewster chimes in a few times. I'll let it speak for itself rather than extrapolating further.

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.an ... zXCJ2aOk0J
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.an ... nCcz2Z7MoJ
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.an ... edsQLKHg8J
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.an ... n9OFJoFKsJ

Darlie said:
As I said I wish you all could see the original. I saw it after a long days work animating, at about 1 in the morning. I was not in the mood to watch any animation { I know that many of you who animate 80 hrs a week will relate to this} but I was given a tape and I thought I would just browse through it. By the time I was about 10 minutes in, I realized that I was going to be up very late. The video copy was crappy but the film making was very clear. Someone out there has a clear copy and they are a very lucky person indeed. This will probably be an underground classic. I would pay money for the original, but I won't spend a dime on ''Arabian Knightmare''.

-- I just returned from seeing what was done to the film. I have no words for
the insult that I saw. I got up halfway through and stood outside the
theater trying to calm down. Do not even think it is because I like
Richard Williams , because I think that he is a royal pain. But that
aside, he is a genius. What were these people thinking? Could they not see
that the thief had to be done in silent poetry. What idiot thought that
they could write words for character that was pure Chaplin. They have spit
in the eye of the art community and repainted the Mona Lisa! The voices
were terrible, this could have been any dubbed Kung Fu film. I have not
been this angry for a long time. Anything that was good came from the
original, everything that was trivial and badly done came from Fred
Calvert { a Saturday morning studio }. What could only be the totally
planned destruction of one of the landmark animation pieces of our age .
Who is responsible? Could it be Calverts {who have absolutely no
experience in feature animation , let alone one of the greatest films in
animation lore}.
I would question the motives of anyone who would hire such an obvious
mismatch. If I were Williams I would sue for putting my name on that crap!
Does everything we see have to be a big fat bowel of babyfood?! All I can
say is that all the work is now tainted, all destroyed. A generation of
people will think that Richard Williams had something to do with that
piece of garbage. It makes me very sad. I do not have the answer for why
this was allowed to happen, but I know that this was truly an act of
vandalism. If you have not seen the real film { the original} then I
recommend you grab what pirated copies you can find because what has been
released to the big screen is not the Thief. No matter how many times they
tell you that it is, it is not. The original is the only true film and
from here on I refuse to be told otherwise.
The sound was so incredibly poor { with respliced sound loops in the final
sound track!}. I have never seen a film as badly handled. Only time will
tell who the criminal in this case is , but make no mistake , a crime was
committed. To Richard Williams I can only say that I am sorry for what was
done to your film , I really loved the original. I now that you probably
think now that all that effort is wasted, but I can only say that the
standards set by your work has truely changed me and that I think that
that was what you had hoped to accomplish in the first place.
''DONT TRUST MONEY PEOPLE''. They are artists with no talent. They leech
off real artists by letting them create things that they can take away ,
then claim they improved . They have no heart , they have no souls and
worst of all they have absolutely no taste!
Here's to the bond company that thought they could direct better than
Richard Williams. You should be ashamed.

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Darlie wrote:
The scenes I did for Yum yums song were butchered as well. The head of the bond company's cleanup told me they took out all the perspective I put in. Like Williams never used perspective in his drawings. I did what I did on it to save the Kroyers who stood to lose 50,000 of a completion bond of they did not get done on time. They are my friends so I had no choice. There are many stories.
LM writes:
What I can tell you immediately is that at that moment in 1995,
[Darlie] was the only one telling the truth. Some were just
guessing but pretending they knew things, others were hell-bent on
wrecking RWs rep. One in particular was "Eric Lurio" who had
christened himself a journalist.

As time went by, I was getting very frustrated trying to get a
credible account. Lurio always appeared when the subject was
raised, and threw as much mud as he could.
The day came when he encountered [Darlie], who ripped him and his
pretensions into pieces.
(Editor's note: LM referred to Darlie by the screenname used in the old posts.)

Bonus round :
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.an ... OkAoZSyKkJ


It was interesting, later, to see the writings of a writer, Parker Bennett, who worked on that as well as the ill-fated Super Mario Bros 1993 movie which I also restored ....

And see that they put a lot of thought into what seemed so thoughtless -- spilling almost endless words and thoughts and justifications for a production which was going to run rampant over this film and turn it into something unrecognizable.


DaveHolmes writes:
It looks like Miramax releasing Arabian Knight on home video as "Thief and the Cobbler" on February 18, 1997, and Alex Williams penning this article about the movie's history for Animation World Magazine's March 1997 issue, is what set off the mad dash to find copies of the workprint.
https://web.archive.org/web/20020224024 ... s1.12.html

Eddie Bowers first asked Usenet where to find the workprint on June 2, 1997:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.an ... dTAj4Zwu8J

And by September 1997 he had his website up with video clips/screencaps from the workprint:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.an ... o59_LcIHAJ
... which is how I was able to find out what had happened to the film, after first hearing about it in 1990.

LM writes, about an animator who worked with Dick in the 70s:
I attempted to nail him down.
He was promoting the line "Dick didn't know where he was going."
[and would say that Dick had created shapeless material rather than a sensical feature film - Ed.]

Months later, he stated that they (the 70s Soho Square RW Studio
staff) didn't consider anything that happened after their period there
to be relevant.
He wouldn't directly answer "Have you seen the workprint?"
He would generalize "there are lots of different workprints."

What I learned from this subject
is how many people lie casually and carelessly to suit themselves.
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Is there an active link for The Thief Who Never Gave Up portfolio anywhere?
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It should be in The Thief and the Cobbler Scrapbook 7 over at Archive.
https://archive.org/details/@ocpmovie
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Garrett Gilchrist wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 1:36 pm It should be in The Thief and the Cobbler Scrapbook 7 over at Archive.
https://archive.org/details/@ocpmovie
Thank you Garrett!

I recently acquired some Nasrudin photos from a French company on ebay and I'm trying to determine their origin. It's essentially these Nasrudin images (https://www.lostmediawiki.com/File:NasrudinStills.jpeg) each on a glossy photo type paper with "Nasruddin" written on the back. The Mogul and Mogul Delegation images are labeled as such on the back but the rest just have "Nasruddin". I've been looking through the Thief Archive stuff I have and couldn't find them so far.
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Interesting. Worth scanning?
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