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Re: Monty Python Thread

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:01 pm
by Garrett Gilchrist
The last episode of this pre-Monty Python series, which closed with Aimi MacDonald's farewell and the Rhubarb Tart song (missing from this print). And Ronnie Corbett plugging his new show, to follow next week.

Re: Monty Python Thread

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 8:28 am
by Garrett Gilchrist

Re: Monty Python Thread

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:42 am
by filmfan94
The complete Flying Circus series has been restored with a Blu-ray and DVD release to come on July 29th:
Network Distributing will release all 45 episodes of "Monty Python’s Flying Circus", on Blu-ray and DVD, fully restored for the first time ever. Each episode has been painstakingly restored using the original video and film elements exclusively for this release. All four series, along with unseen and excised footage, sketches and much more, will be presented in an exclusive 50th anniversary limited-edition box set available exclusively here from 29th July, with all four individual series available to purchase separately at a later date. ... OvTC1xALy0

Re: Monty Python Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:21 am
by Garrett Gilchrist
Monty Python at 50: The Self-Abasement Tapes. The short series starts out promisingly, as an exploration into rare and unheard Monty Python sketches. The first episode has some unheard material and is somehow very timely, making fun of dumbed-down American politics, the courtroom justice system, and so on. It devolves from there into presenting very familiar material, or twists on very familiar material that are already on CD. Still worth a listen.

DMCJ writes:
Terry Jones reading the uncut-as-written The Martyrdom Of St Brian for an early Contractual session, and a lengthy compilation of Idle/Chapman LP links more than half of which were previously unheard outtakes? Both big wow moments for me.

The Lumberjack Song radio ads, the extra verse of Brave Sir Robin, and a previously unreleased Big Red Book ad were all major archive unveilings.

This show is also the first Python related production for a decade that's made a point of including Neil Innes, so it's significant for that reason too.

It's on record Palin wanted Innes at the O2.

The current Radio Times Python bookazine makes a very deliberate point of including Innes as a legitimate Python and crediting his involvement at every possible juncture. Right down to listing his s4 writing credits and including lots of photos at him at a script meeting Idle wasn't even at. Bit of RWT stuff in it too.

Episode 1
The Fat Ignorant Bastards
Courtroom (cut)
Lumberjack Song Ad #1
Dead Pupil
I'm So Worried (C&W Version - w. new overdubs)

Episode 2
Holy Grail Theatrical Trailer (partial)
Film Night (clip)
Three Headed Knight (LP version) - mix into:
Brave Sir Robin (Reprise) (extended take)
Quest For The Holy Grail Locations (linked clip package)
Arthur's Song
Quest For... clip

Episode 3
The Martrydom Of St Brian (TJ)
Brian LP ad (record shop)
Brian movie ad (Mrs Cleese)
Brian movie ad (Mrs Idle)
Brian movie ad (Palin's dentist)
Fee negotiation (Brian LP outtake)
John Du Prez source music cue (fanfare)
Brian LP clip (intro)
Incidental music (LP outtake)
Brian LP clip (Lobster/Hermit) - brief outtake at end. Back into further clips (Meanwhilst etc, outro)
Otto (new FX & dubbing, shortened pauses)

Episode 4
It's The Meaning Of Life (Band Version)
Accountancy Shanty (seemingly last minute substitution for 'I Love My Fat' listed in synopsis)
Goat's Page (new recording)
Madame Palm Writes (new recording)
How Your Body Works (new recording)
Big Red Book ad (Grand Canyon - production/mix is new)
Christmas In Heaven (Bob Saker version) then bad cut into LP version for god knows why

GG: Reference to "Celebrity Squares" and "Disney Time" would never have made it to the US.

Episode 5
Galaxy Song (new Hawking/Idle duet version)
O2 readthrough compilation (intro/Llamas/Argument/Anne Elk)
Lumberjack Song ad #2
Bright Side (O2)
One Down Five To Go naming

There will have been revisions and vetoed early cuts, which might explain some of the oddness. Possible (or even likely) that show 2 included even more Innes at one point. Strange they didn't edit the actual extended (and rarer, ish) Three Headed Knight scene into the place where it could have gone. Let's not forget 3 separate CD releases - completed and mastered - got vetoed between 2005-08.

Hastily Cobbled (brand new 80 minute 2005 cut, cancelled c. 2006), Sings Special Edition (2CD, cancelled c. 2007), and Sings Expanded (1CD, cancelled c. 2008).

2005 Hastily is the biggest mystery of all. It's never leaked, nor has its tracklist. We can make guesses. The Fat Ignorant Bastards was definitely part of it.
Thanks for that. Inclusion of Accountancy Shanty baffling. "Dead Pupil" predates Blue Jam/Jam. Hm.

Imagine someone trying to put Radio Five stuff on this, or the other Accountancy Shanty, and Eric saying no ... Yet you could find The Rutland Isles in closeout bins everywhere for a buck.

And Michael's the only one left that social media hasn't cancelled.

Lads, it's the fiftieth anniversary. Physical disc media is barely a thing anymore, and the audience for this stuff is increasingly small, with only a few people who can still tell the difference between outtakes and the programs as released. Can't we just wrap up all the drama and get this stuff out on disc while anyone still cares, as with 1948 Show and Do Not Adjust Your Set?

Re: Monty Python Thread

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:34 am
by Garrett Gilchrist
Eric Idle and Neil Innes worked together a lot in the 70s, but by the 90s it was clear that Idle disliked Innes and undervalued his contributions.

The two made up in 2003, performing together briefly in Los Angeles (which I filmed), and Idle used Neil Innes' 1997 "Rutles Archaeology" album (which was well received) in Idle's 2004 film "The Rutles 2: Can't Buy Me Lunch" (which was not).

This ceasefire didn't last long. Idle has returned to form on Twitter, as has Innes. Innes was not given his due when Idle made the Holy Grail musical, Spamalot. It's been noted that Palin wanted Innes involved in the 2014 O2 shows, and Idle didn't. The Radio Times 50th Anniversary Special has credited Innes at every opportunity - and that's been very rare for a long time. The Self-Abasement Tapes also credit Innes.

It's fair to say that the two had radically different personalities and goals for their careers. Idle moved to Hollywood and burnt himself out, like many comedy writers, on writing a lot of screenplays that didn't get made. Innes ended up living a quieter, more middle-class married life in England. Both were happy with the choices they'd made but frustrated that their work didn't reach a larger audience at the time.

"Neil is a clever and gifted singer and songwriter who's determined to be a failure, and his determination succeeds," said Idle in 2005.

Idle and Innes go way back. "Too far," Idle said, with a laugh. "And no farther."

Innes said in 2005, "I look at it all with some kind of amusement because I'm not showbiz-y, and I think probably Eric is, and if people want to be possessive and don't want to share their toys in the sandpit, I couldn't care less." ... ej45rS9zjQ

Eric Idle on AOL. September 5, 1996.

Question: Question for Eric: Were you invited to participate in the Rutles
reunion, and if so, why did you decline?

EIdleLive: Yes, I was invited. I turned it down because I did not want to do

Question: Tell me, what is the meaning of life anyway, Eric?

EIdleLive: I know the Meaning of Life but I am afraid it is a secret. It's
something about being too old and bald and untalented to be in
the Rutles. Or is that Neil Innes?

Question: (just curious) Why were you not involved in the Rutles
"Anthropology" (sic) album?

EIdleLive: Because I thought it was dumb.

Question: Eric, hi! Heard friends of yours, the Rutles, are releasing a new
disc. Will there possibly be a new film or perhaps reunion tour
... double bill with Spinal Tap? - Kevin in Pittsburgh

EIdleLive: In Mick Jagger's words ... God I hope not!

DMCJ: Idle changed his tune after Archaeology did well, because he realised he'd given consent for the world to officially think of the Rutles as an Innes-led project. He then spent half a decade frantically trying to reclaim ownership in any way possible. Interesting to note that Archaeology was written and demoed in 1992 and had a very slow birth towards legitimacy. It predates Splitting Heirs, which has a 60s pastiche theme song (partly parodying Bad To Me by Lennon/McCartney) almost as if Idle's territorially showing 'I can do it too you know'.

Re: Monty Python Thread

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:06 am
by Garrett Gilchrist
It took 52 years, but from the information provided I can't imagine a better release of this series. ... XYVeXtlDct

Re: Monty Python Thread

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:04 pm
by Garrett Gilchrist
DMCJ writes:
The 1948 Show DVD is very disappointing. As nice as it is to have everything in one place, technical and quality standards are often light years away from what anyone would reasonably expect from a high-profile archive release in this day and age. A shocking amount of damage and scratches, some easily fixable with zero attempt to correct it or compare against other versions, and zero attempt made to clean up the sound or restore the video look. In particular, the reconstructions of 2.1 and 2.2 are themselves ancient, not fit for purpose in 2019, and all the material in them looks noticeably better on the previous compilation release (which was low resolution NTSC!). It's amateurish and feels like a bootleg.

Re: Monty Python Thread

Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:45 pm
by Garrett Gilchrist
Neil Innes writes:
“Nearly Really” - my new album - is finally here! CDs are available at the Bootleg Beatle concerts (I am hosting) and can be ordered via (or visit for more information). Mailing can begin when Yvonne and I get back home – 5th October. Money is tight – we have to sell enough CDs to raise the cash just to cover the postage to those who “pledged”, got refunded and then donated to GoFundMe. Yes, it is a mess. All I wanted was to share my songs – not spread gloom and disappointment. Friends tell me the album is a “joy”. Please tell your friends!

Re: Monty Python Thread

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:41 pm
by RaggedyMan
I've been reading Eric Idle's autobiography, Always Look on the Bright Side of Life, recently, and one thing it's made me wish was that we could get an official release of his show Rutland Weekend Television.

Re: Monty Python Thread

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 8:21 pm
by Garrett Gilchrist
Eric has personally been standing in the way of that for decades, it seems. I used to ask him about it the few times we met.