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Re: Muppet Thread: The Henson Legacy

Postby Garrett Gilchrist » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:04 pm

The Count singing "Bones." Gettin a little scary for Sesame Street standards - check that ending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP2rVGbZXrw
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Re: Muppet Thread: The Henson Legacy

Postby Garrett Gilchrist » Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:45 am

Sesame Street - Doll House 1970 [Jim Henson]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjqazFm-bz0
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Re: Muppet Thread: The Henson Legacy

Postby Brandondorf9999 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:12 am

Garrett Gilchrist wrote:The Count singing "Bones." Gettin a little scary for Sesame Street standards - check that ending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP2rVGbZXrw


I remember that from Elmo Says BOO! when I was a child.
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Re: Muppet Thread: The Henson Legacy

Postby Brandondorf9999 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:18 pm

Anyways, will you be planning to get Muppet Time segments on the Family Channel?
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Re: Muppet Thread: The Henson Legacy

Postby Garrett Gilchrist » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:13 pm

No. I do not take requests.
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Re: Muppet Thread: The Henson Legacy

Postby Garrett Gilchrist » Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:02 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QUz-er8lto&app=desktop

Lots of Muppet crew in this ATV Christmas blooper reel, and then some actual Muppet bloopers.

The "Elstree" song is repeated in this Xmas tape also. Without changes I think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPfhrODWC0w
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Re: Muppet Thread: The Henson Legacy

Postby Garrett Gilchrist » Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:22 am

There are very, very few characters who had the impact on popular culture that Kermit the Frog did. And he's been sold to a company which already has Mickey Mouse.

Disney doesn't need the Muppets, is the problem, so they're easy to forget or misplace. Jim wanted to sell because he loved Snow White, loved Walt Disney and what he stood for. Because of that he spent the last months of his life being nickeled and dimed on every line of every contract by yuppie shark lawyers. Brian Jay Jones' biography is interesting in that regard.

That didn't dissuade Jim from making the deal, apparently, but it showed him - harshly - that this was no longer Walt's company and that he would not be treated as a true creative partner and equal the way he'd expected. Then without Jim, the deal was off - for many years anyway.

That being said, and as should be said this loudly and clearly, Disney has done a lot for the Muppets. A lot of good Muppet movies have been produced under the Disney banner [starting with the Christmas Carol], and now two proper TV shows. I just wonder what would have happened if they'd survived as an independent entity, or elsewhere.

We've had to accept that Jerry Juhl is gone, and that the Muppets will now be written differently. Take on different shades. A tribute, perhaps, by fans who saw them the first time round. I hope the new show is wonderful. Everyone seems to think it's wonderful. And this will also be a great test of how committed Disney really is to these characters.

Disney has always put out good material - and it's said that eventually everyone works for the Mouse - but the problem with so huge a company is that they have so many properties that there's no motivation to exploit most of them in the ways that their fans would like. They know they can make big money off of The Avengers and Frozen this year, so that's what you get. Thousands of other properties that other companies would kill to exploit gather dust in the meantime.

In fact, Disney usually only merchandises their main four male Avengers. You don't see much of Black Widow or any other women in the franchise. Why? Because they bought Marvel and Star Wars to appeal to boys. They already have girls covered with the Princesses. That's honestly how they think. Good luck coming to them with any of the thousands of other properties they own. It's Elsa's year. And despite Disney's reputation for high quality merchandise, Muppet merchandise has been super embarrassing for a very long time [Palisades not included].

And yes, Disney are making Frozen 2 just to keep those toys on the shop aisles, so it'll last a few years longer.

Hasbro pushes Transformers and My Little Pony because those are its two big boy and girl brands right now. Well, Disney's got a few hundred brands that big -- but not as big as Frozen and The Avengers are this year. So you won't see much of them on mainstream toy aisles.

It's not just a case of going with what works and what sells -- Disney's princesses, and Disney's Frozen, sell INCREDIBLY WELL. So do those four Avengers.

With those numbers, almost anything else isn't even in the equation. Another company with more to prove might have plastered the toy aisles with Miss Piggy by now. Not as successfully! Maybe as a massive failure! But they'd try it.

It would have to still be a pretty big company to have the kind of marketing muscle to get on Wal-Mart shelves these days, though. So maybe this is beside the point.

See also: who needs to make a Tron 3? Not Disney. But you'll see the IP added to their crossover video game / toy line, Disney Infinity -- along with a few hundred other franchises kids love which aren't otherwise being seen on mainstream toy aisles this year.

Not that most Disney properties are ever lacking in merchandise, though. If there's nothing of them now, they made merch at some point. And if it sold as well as Simba or Ariel they'll try again sometime.

We're lucky we got Muppets 2011 and Muppets Most Wanted and now, this new series. I hope Disney puts its considerable might behind it.
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Re: Muppet Thread: The Henson Legacy

Postby Garrett Gilchrist » Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:17 pm

When did Kermit become a frog? Kermit the Frog started as an abstract character, built in March 1955 for "Sam and Friends" and copyrighted in 1956. He got his first collar while playing a minstrel in the unaired 1962 pilot "Tales of the Tinkerdee," and wore a red sweater for awhile before getting his green collar. But when did he become a frog? It's often been said - even by Henson himself - that he became a frog for the 1971 special "The Frog Prince." But here's Johnny Carson in December 1965, on an episode that's actually available on DVD. Listen:

https://youtu.be/HxMTzcXkToo?t=260

http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/When_did_K ... ome_a_frog

While it's hard to know when Henson started to consider Kermit a frog, Kermit may have first appeared as a frog onscreen during another unaired pilot, the October 1965 version of Cinderella - which exists, but is not in fan hands.

In the clip, Johnny Carson is referring to an appearance a few months earlier on September 6, where Henson [and Kermit] appeared. Bill Cosby was also a guest. I don't know offhand if Kermit was referred to as a frog back in September or if Henson had just referred to "Kermit the frog" when speaking to Carson before this show [A New Year's Eve special with Woody Allen], but he's a frog in the Cinderella pilot [shot in October] so the timing's about right either way.
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