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Re: Animation Thread

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:47 pm
by Studio Toledo
Garrett Gilchrist wrote:In the 70s, Fred Ladd used to hire a Korean sweatshop to do terrible retraced color versions of old black and white cartoons.

The Bosko cartoon "Ups and Downs" was missing its ending in the copy they used, so the Korean animators made up their own. It's badly done and very bizarre, with Bosko's mechanical horse turning into a real one.

The original ending to "Ups and Downs" still exists - complete with a "That's All Folks" tag which looks racist today.

The opposite is true for "Country Boy Rabbit," where clearly they were missing the ending so it just ends:

And yes, the ending exists: ... ginal_news

Here's "A Coy Decoy." A pathetic effort even by these standards.


Here's a comparison. This isn't one of the worse ones, but it still loses any quality the original had: ...

Several Looney Tunes like "The Daffy Doc" and "Porky's Five and Ten" ended up with similar hacked endings due to the prints not having them to start with. It was grueling watching these in the 80's thinking what was missing all these years! It was really bad decisions made by those that only felt they had to feed the then trend of airing anything in color on TV. It was awful growing up back when these were the standard on TV for at least 30 years.

JustinHoskie wrote:All Dogs Go to Heaven (FULL UNCUT/DELETED HELL SCENE)
Lost Media Wiki: "During summer 2016, Tumblr user "SteamRunner" went to summer art program. One of Bluth's studio's animators happened to teach animation at said program, where she actually showed the entire uncut hell nightmare scene. One of her friends happened to find the whole scene (albiet without a score) in an archive and, in turn, burned it onto three disks (one for Bluth, one for the animator, and one for himself). She then decided to show her class the scene, at which point SteamRunner recorded it with her phone and finally uploaded the video to Tumblr on June 23rd." (source)

Such a tiny picture though.

I see someone did this though, which I guess shows how minimal the cutting was to this scene, they certainly didn't hack it all the way but it is rather something they took out the close-ups of those devilish characters just to get it past (especially the "Now you're mine!" line).

Garrett Gilchrist wrote:Beautiful (and admirably subdued) British hand-drawn animated film follows the everyday lives of a married couple from 1928 to 1971, as told by their son, artist Raymond Briggs (The Snowman). The animation is terrific and the film carefully portrays a Britain that doesn't exist anymore.

It's certainly an excellent pictorial look at British history of the mid 20th century. I felt like I've learned a thing or two from it.

Re: Animation Thread

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:12 pm
by Studio Toledo
Garrett Gilchrist wrote:

Clearly "Oliver and Company" inspired.

I remember being 11 or 12 when I saw that ad and thought the same way (though probably though more Lady & The Tramp if any)!

Garrett Gilchrist wrote:I never saw the song added to later versions of The Lion King.

It's awful. Wrecks the scene George Lucas style.

What do you think of this?

Yeah it's a fan effort but hell, I wouldn't mind it!

Re: Animation Thread

PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:07 pm
by Garrett Gilchrist
It's well animated. Looks like the real thing.

I wouldn't actually want it in the film, mind ...

Re: Animation Thread

PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:48 am
by Dennis196492
Don Bluth's The Pebble and the Penguin has a pretty detailed fan-site dedicated to it

Also, I find it weird how despite being the least bad of his early 90's stuff, Don Bluth and Gary Goldman demanded them be uncredited as the director, which only makes me wonder how they can take full-credit for something like A Troll in Central Park but not this.

Re: Animation Thread

PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:50 pm
by Dennis196492
Don Bluth Entertainment Studios at Dublin Ireland, 1993, still in production of Pebble and the Penguin, with a few glimpses of Troll in Central Park.

Re: Animation Thread

PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:09 am
by Dennis196492
The whole time Don Bluth was at Dublin making Thumbelina, Troll in Central Park and Pebble and the Penguin is mysterious as there's nothing ''big'' said on what happened other than very few storyboards and rumors, the most gross one is in the Wikipedia page for Troll in Central Park where it's partly sourced from a joke article.

I've searched high and low and there's still little to no information on these films, the closest has been some ''Making of'' featurettes, so far I only have one for Rock-a-Doodle, but there's others I just can't get my hands on such as a ''Featurette'' that is supposed to be included along the DVD release of A Troll in Central Park, and a behind the scenes documentary titled ''Back To Enchantment - The Making of Thumbelina'', and another behind the scenes Featurette that is featured in the Pebble and the Penguin blu-ray release, all of these need to be on Youtube, in my opinion.

Re: Animation Thread

PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:17 am
by Garrett Gilchrist
You could do what I did -- find people who worked on the films and ask.

Re: Animation Thread

PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:08 am
by Garrett Gilchrist

Re: Animation Thread

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:37 pm
by Garrett Gilchrist
Finally watched Moana. It's another triumph for Disney. See it.

It hits all the beats of the Disney princess mold, but it's also a mythical hero's journey, full of magical superheroics. The mix is a little peculiar, but done with wit and clarity of vision.

Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is perfect casting as exiled, out-of-practice demigod Maui. He's all macho swagger and charm and you'll wonder why on earth no one has cast him in this sort of role in a live action film, perhaps as a semi-comedic superhero. For such a famous performer, you wonder where he's been hiding. And yes, he can sing. His voice isn't perfect but his song number is a highlight of the film - deftly walking a tightrope between being a genuine hero and a mocking parody of one. A hero's song for a braggart, that toys with undertones of being a villain's song - a description that could also describe "Hamilton." It takes Maui a little time to actually befriend Moana and prove himself as a hero again.

The songs by Lin-Manuel Miranda and others stand happily alongside the 90s Disney classics. It's not the same stuff as Miranda's masterpiece "Hamilton" but it's what this film needs, and what a Disney film needs. It's also nice to see him getting this sort of work and you'll have the songs in your head for days. You'll hear Miranda's voice in the finale, and in the end credits. The pop versions of the songs which run over the credits are auto-tuned and awful, but Miranda raps during that version of "You're Welcome." Which is welcome.

What muddles things a bit is the lack of delination between reality and magic -- this is simply a magical world, that we're first introduced to as something more normal. And its magic is handled as normal. Moana is allowed to survive events which would kill a human being. But this is the stuff of myth and legend, and in that context it makes sense.

What grounds the film is the two lead characters in particular. Auli'i Cravalho could also easily have played Moana in live action. For all the magical heroics of the film, Moana is allowed to play a wider range of emotion than even some other Disney heroines.

Jemaine Clement of Flight of the Conchords turns up as a villainous crab. Clement sings as an impersonation of David Bowie. Entertaining, but definitely the film's "The Greedy" moment (see: Raggedy Ann), where they seem to be padding out the runtime a bit.

The film was directed by Ron Clements and John Musker. Their previous credits: The Great Mouse Detective, The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Hercules, Treasure Planet, and The Princess and the Frog. So by now, Disney fans will know what kind of movie they're going to get. There's a lot of Little Mermaid DNA here. And you'll have a lot of fun.

Re: Animation Thread

PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:19 pm
by Redsam121
I read that the guy who voices Moana's father also played Jake Heke, the violent alcoholic father from Once were Warriors.