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Re: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut Mark 4

Post: # 9877Post Garrett Gilchrist
Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:49 am

An approximate summary of a Richard Williams Q&A, not accurate in the specifics. The remarks on animating on ones are particularly garbled.

https://justmakeanimation.com/the-thief ... ever-made/


Q: Will there be a DVD or a book about it?

Maybe a BFI Blue Ray… This could be distributed in the UK, but not elsewhere. The UK distributer didn’t sign any deal to distribute the resulting film in the UK because they knew it was a labour of love and didn’t like what had happened to the film, so those rights are still available.

It’s a complicated process to unravel what rights there are still, and if this can be done, then the BFI would love to release a version here. It also depends on whether there would be a big enough market for it, as being an unfinished film it is mostly of interest to animators and historians.

Other films also have complicated rights ownership (Raggedy Ann and Andy), so there are many that he can’t release on DVD. He puts his time into making new films, that he does own, not looking back at the ones he can’t show.

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Post: # 9922Post Garrett Gilchrist
Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:29 pm

Here is a (temporary) download for the 1977 film Raggedy Ann & Andy: A Musical Adventure. This is our 2008ish restoration from 35mm film. This version has been resized vertically to Cinemascope ratio, not especially well. We always wanted to do a proper HD Blu-Ray of this, from 35mm film, but haven't been able to track down the rights to the film to do it legally.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Wtlz_ ... A_qjBXYoMO


Bob Bergen writes: Cool! I've never seen this film. I was cast/recorded the part of The Cobbler. Then was replaced by Mathew Broderick.

(Any memories of the recording?)

Bob Bergen: not really, It was a long time ago. Just that I recorded the part of Tack. Thought the animation was terrific. I don't recall if it was released theatrically or on home video but a few months later it came out, and Broderick had replaced me. My agent at the time was told producers got more in the budget to hire a better name celeb.

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Post: # 9940Post Garrett Gilchrist
Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:34 pm

The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences has uploaded a large collection of artwork from Richard Williams' The Thief and the Cobbler.

A few years ago I was approached by Miramax via email. They were getting rid of old documents and had quite a bit of material from The Thief and the Cobbler to share. I suggested they send it to Dick Williams. I think this is much of what's at the Academy now.

Here is the massive collection of Thief and the Cobbler artwork found at The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences site, as downloaded by me and painstakingly sorted into a more sensible order by LM.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/z0ewii4o ... 1.zip/file
https://www.mediafire.com/file/22lgm5k1 ... 1.zip/file

Also available on Facebook here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/thiefan ... ter=albums

Here are URLs to the images found when searching for "Arabian Knight."
https://pastebin.com/K3hXz1Cy

Here is the Oscars site where you can run a search for "Arabian Knight."
https://collections.new.oscars.org/Deta ... e/70171893

Some deleted scene stuff here. There's a scene from the Nasrudin script with General Taboo of the Indian Army (I think), having slaughtered his enemies. "This storyboard depicts a battle sequence in the mountains, ending with close-ups of characters General Taboo and Muck-Er-Gee."

There's also a Tissa David scene where Yum Yum is on a swing and Tack is attempting to put her shoe back on her foot while she's swinging, including thumbnail storyboards.

There's the scripted ending where Goblet tries to become the new Vizier and is arrested. There's Nanny with a Cat. There's Nasrudin, and a reference to his wife.

There's a couple of adult-rated drawings of The Maiden from Mombassa, and what was going on under that tent. There's Zappo (I think), a Zigzag like magician from Nasrudin, and Kenneth Williams' Vizier.

There's the Thief and Yum Yum scene with the bed of dogs, but with a male character in Yum Yum's place (and a deleted, longer introduction involving The Thief).

There's a lot of peculiar Emery Hawkins drawings involving the The Old Witch, Bubba and Meemee, and the characters transforming - some of which we haven't seen as video.

There's a lot of Art Babbitt drawings including lots of the early Zigzag. And a couple of nude Picassos of the Princesses (?) on his wall. We see Art's notes to Dick and Tissa David, and his earlier "old man" version of the dying Messenger and King Nod, among others.

There's thumbnails from Dick working out the gags of the film, including some that weren't used.

There's some Calvert-era stuff, including a note from Neil Boyle about how small they're being forced to draw this stuff. And two very Calvert shots of Tack with an Aladdin type lamp.

There's a note from one of Dick's children about daddy.

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Post: # 9942Post Garrett Gilchrist
Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:05 am

Fanta commercials, from a Youtube comment. Don't actually know who animated these.

A Robin Hood Inspired one (Portuguese):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVWqFHSyIww
A Beach-Themed one (also Portuguese):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGtB93Y0W8g
A Discotheque one (from Peru):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znbxals34zY
A similar ad from México:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiPvjCXoHVA
Mickey Mouse dancing with Claudia Schiffer (From Chile)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQZKuZrfIw8

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Post: # 9943Post Dennis196492
Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:06 am

That's most definately Brazilian Portuguese on those Fanta commercials! :gopher:

This image gallery is an absolute gold mine. Every single image just exudes all the excrutianting detail that went into making everything, there was no ''easy part''. Compare the Dick Williams stuff with the Calvert stuff makes the latter look half assed. I hope more turns out (no cels? no more backgrounds?)

I did something for fun, ''ThiefCobbler AMPAS0185'' is a drawing overlay for the ''salute'' scene during the One-Eye scene, so I combined it with what we see in the Workprint (I filled in the rest of the soldiers), the space for the hands is spot-on, but there's a strange empty space on where their legs would be, maybe they would've filled in with a still cel of their legs.

https://imgur.com/a/EVOKNyN

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Post: # 9948Post Garrett Gilchrist
Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:10 pm

THIEF AND FUR RUG (Sequence 45)
Nasrudin’s caravan passes beautiful miniature palace.
Cut to the edge of the palace wall and the THIEF pokes his head over a bunch of bamboo trees. He comes out on bamboo stilts and shuffles along the wall edge. He suddenly sees a tall thin Prince lying on a huge fur rug on a pavilion.
The Prince is looking at jewels in a box. He closes the box and goes to sleep with the box beside him right in the middle of the fur rug.
The Thief, commando-style, climbs down vines, crawls on his belly across the pavilion, up the steps into the rug and surfaces beside the jewel-box. He grabs the jewelbox, checks to see that the jewels are still in it and turns to escape. Then, at the edge of the fur rug, encircling him, huge dogs’ heads raise up. In fact, the rug is made of huge dogs, bottom to bottom, making a circle.
Cut to the outside of the beautiful miniature palace. We hear horrid rending noises.

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Post: # 9950Post Dennis196492
Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:24 pm

I've actually organized everything Nasruddin in sequence order using the script as a reference, lots of Chief Boozdil's boards in too. There's also Art Babbit's earliest version of the dying soldier as he was in the Nasruddin film, though it's difficult to know when it evolved into. Nanny with a cat is from early on in the movie. (Lunch Sequence)

I want to do the same on my spare time with the rest with the film (using the Thief Who Never Gave Up Sequence listing) and Calvert's stuff

There's several drawings of one Zig Zag scene that looks pretty much ''done'', yet it's not anywhere in the movie

There's a lot of rough drawings of Tack dodging Zig Zag on his horse, along with one blue pencil drawing of Tack that looks very calvert-ish

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Post: # 9951Post Garrett Gilchrist
Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:09 am

Luke is organizing everything, so we'll see how that goes. He's more of an expert on the scripts than I am!

I mentioned an Art Babbitt scene of Zigzag where he has two nude Picassos of the Princesses (?) on his wall, and I believe that's the same scene we have as a low quality pencil test somewhere. Very stick figure-y and rough, like much of Babbit's work as a teacher at RWA, but there's also a lot of Art Babbitt art in here which is very fleshed-out and useable, if not at all in the style of the final film.



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