The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut Mark 4

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Re: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut Mark 4

Post: # 8569Post Dennis196492
Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:55 am

It would look mindblowingly detailed, unfortunately I don't think The Thief would even be able to be released in a larger format because they must've already used 65mm film to composite stuff in because as it's commonly known, when you composited stuff in the old days you would lose quality, they did the same thing with Roger Rabbit by shooting it all on VistaVision

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Re: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut Mark 4

Post: # 8570Post filmfan94
Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:27 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that compositing stuff only applies to live-action filming (even your example of Roger Rabbit has a good chunk in live action). Also, if Williams did indeed use 65mm for any part of The Thief, I'm sure Garrett would have heard about it. Come to think of it, I don't think we've ever had an animated film shot in 65mm (Sleeping Beauty and The Black Cauldron were shot in Technirama so they don't count).

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Re: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut Mark 4

Post: # 8571Post Dennis196492
Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:25 pm

My guess is that they scrapped the elements once a shot was finished, it's either that or they did keep the elements, but as of now they're scattered/destroyed because of Calvert, other than that, loss of quality does apply to animated movies because it's the same thing as live action, except that the camera is shooting a table with the cels in it rather than a movie set, they commonly do this for shots where the character animation can't keep up with the background motion, so they do that, often with the character missing details around the outline if they don't use bigger film.

It's rumoured that one of the test scenes of TMS' Little Nemo was shot on 65mm, don't know about the film itself.

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Re: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut Mark 4

Post: # 8572Post Arnaud
Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:29 pm

Hello ! Long time no see.

I'm currently translating the MK3 subtitles in french. It's easier (and faster) than I thought, I might have finished in a few days.

I'm no good at making subtitles, though - it's a text file. And it wouldn't be adapted to the MK4.

Would someone agree to help a bit ? I'm keeping all the original english subtitles and the french ones in another color just below - you won't be lost.

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Re: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut Mark 4

Post: # 8576Post Garrett Gilchrist
Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:45 pm

Hi Arnaud. There are now Mk4 subtitles, so that's what you should be adapting!

Thief and the Cobbler Mk4 English Subtitles
https://www.mediafire.com/?ewm1egg5gl45p2b

The Thief was not shot on 65mm at any point. It would not be possible to reshoot the film, because if the original artwork still exists it's not in the same sort of shape it was then. However, if artwork still exists for any scenes which were never shot properly, it would obviously be worth shooting the art as it exists now and attempting to fix any damage digitally.

It is important that whatever still exists be catalogued, scanned, photographed, and so on. However, this seems unlikely to happen anytime soon.

Whether the original 35mm footage of the film still exists is another question, but obviously the Calvert versions of the film exist as 35mm. There is also somewhat lower quality workprint material which exists of Richard's copy of the film (AKA A Moment In Time) and the raw footage we used in the Recobbled Cut.

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Post: # 8582Post Hardback247
Wed May 04, 2016 3:33 pm

There's one change that confuses me. Why was the fully inked shot of YumYum saying "Yes, Nanny" replaced with a black and white pencil test for Mark 4?

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Re: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut Mark 4

Post: # 8584Post Garrett Gilchrist
Wed May 04, 2016 9:57 pm

Probably actual Williams animation rather than repurposed Calvert animation of her saying something different.

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Re: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut Mark 4

Post: # 8588Post Hardback247
Fri May 06, 2016 2:49 pm

Any plans for a possible Mark 5, or are you fully satisfied?

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Re: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut Mark 4

Post: # 8590Post Garrett Gilchrist
Fri May 06, 2016 3:38 pm

I spent eight years to get to the point of the Mk4. It's the best that could be done with the footage. If an entire version of the movie turns up in full 35mm, that would be another matter. That would likely require the participation of Dick Williams. Or at least a copy of Arabian Knight.

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Post: # 8592Post Hardback247
Fri May 06, 2016 4:09 pm

I wish a new restoration commentary was done for Mark 4. I would love that.

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