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Re: Movie Thread: The Dissection Room

Postby Garrett Gilchrist » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:05 am

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=964068

A German Blu-Ray release of Evil Dead 2 has attempted an extended cut of the film, adding 2 minutes 39 seconds to the running time. Which is interesting, because as far as I was aware, the deleted footage from the film no longer exists. Judging from these screen grabs, some footage may have survived as VHS, unless this is all taken from the behind the scenes camcorder video shot by the effects guys. That behind the scenes home video was excerpted on the blood-red laserdisc, and clips appeared on the DVD releases. It can be seen in full on Youtube (!). The laserdisc release of the camcorder footage focused on the many effects that had been cut out of the final version of the film, so there was some video record of all that cool stuff that somehow didn't make the cut. And now there's this ...
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Re: Movie Thread: The Dissection Room

Postby JustinHoskie » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:23 pm

Here's the 1950 Lux Radio Theater adaptation of The Wizard of Oz, featuring Judy Garland reprising her role of Dorothy, that's been . (I'm 99.9% sure this is my edit.) It's interesting to listen to an adaption of this movie before it became a classic, and hear changed lines that would never get changed now. ("I have a feeling we're being watched. I have another feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.")

http://jukebox.mndp.ru/wizard-of-oz-the-1950-radio-cast
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Re: Movie Thread: The Dissection Room

Postby Garrett Gilchrist » Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:57 pm

"The Booshman" reedits Superman 2, etc. He's been working on an HD edit but it's still incomplete.
http://vimeo.com/user3952921/videos

The famous Superman 2 edits were by Selutron, but they were only clips ...
http://www.capedwonder.com/selutrons-superman-ii/

Some ideas from Jimbotron:
https://www.youtube.com/user/jimbotron235/videos
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Re: Movie Thread: The Dissection Room

Postby Garrett Gilchrist » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:24 am

Superman II is a tale of two films, and two directors. The acting in Donner's scenes is almost uniformly better, though his version of the film was far from being finished. Lester's reshot, rescripted versions are entirely different ways of approaching the same plot beats. Neither version makes a lot of sense, for the exact same reasons, but the actors did their best work for Donner, usually in scenes that Lester didn't use.

In retrospect, the 2006 "Donner Cut" of Superman II really was a trainwreck. Imagine if all that great footage had been edited competently. Instead, it's extremely amateurish and sloppy. Even more bizarrely, the same scenes often appear in the original version or in its extended TV cut (which isn't commercially available) with much better editing.

There are bad special effects, like in Brando's scenes, and weaker takes used. Lois' goodbye to Superman at the Fortress of Solitude, at the end, broke my heart in the original TV cut, and it's much weaker here. I believe they redubbed Kidder with another actress, and cut a few of the lines - possibly to use different music. There are certainly stand-ins and voice doubles used here and there, unnecessarily I think. The original version of the film is also full of Gene Hackman voice impersonations, since Hackman never filmed anything for Lester.

Editor Michael Thau misunderstood a joke in the Fortress of Solitude, and adds a toilet flush sound effect! He cuts down scenes for no reason, and replaces the music for no reason, and uses different takes for no reason, and it's really not an ideal way to see the film.


It's wonderful that the "blank bullets" scene is preserved as an early screen test, and it almost works as a scene ... almost. And it's great to see Brando, who adds a lot to the film, despite the cheap compositing effects. But the amateur-hour editing takes a lot away from the movie. It deserves better - like a release of the TV cut scenes.


A lot of people have made fanedits, with a lot more Lester footage, but some of the better material is still buried in the TV cut (not commercially released), and in lower quality deleted scenes. This is mainly because of strange editing decisions made in the 2006 Donner Cut.

Both the amnesia kiss and turning back time again endings are pretty terrible, and neither is needed. You could easily leave things with Lois keeping Superman's secret. Her screentime is so limited in the (terrible) sequels anyway.

You could also leave things unexplained and cut from Lester's kiss to Donner's ending with a confused Perry White, and say Jor-El did it.

The Paris material is used in the very good fanedit Superman Redeemed, which also combines the better parts of Superman 3 and 4 into one film. I sort of consider that one canon.

Thinking out loud here - I also wonder if the amnesia kiss, minus amnesia, could be moved up earlier to be a real kiss after Lois has figured out Clark is Superman. Possibly inbetween two different versions of the losing his powers conversation with Jor-El/Lara. As if he's not ready to give it all up at first, but then makes that decision.
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Re: Movie Thread: The Dissection Room

Postby Garrett Gilchrist » Thu May 01, 2014 1:57 pm

There is a lot to like about the 2006 "Donner Cut" of Superman II, mainly that it exists at all, and that it includes Marlon Brando's footage (albeit with weak special effects) and a lot of other footage not seen previously (including that early screen test, and other footage that would have been reshot). But the original, extended TV version of the film had footage that the "Donner Cut" didn't include, as it was originally edited - and is often a significantly better film. That version is not commercially available - fans make do with old VHS tapes (The Restored International Cut).

It's fun to watch "The Donner Cut" as a "what if" alternate version of the film, even if many scenes from the theatrical release are now cut to half their length for no good reason. But the whole thing falls apart at the end, I think, for three very Superman-ish reasons.

1. Lois realizes she can't be with Superman, outside the destroyed Fortress of Solitude. This scene, and the one following, broke my heart in the TV version. It's some of Margot Kidder's best work. The 2006 cut is shorter, using different (apparently newly-redubbed) footage, and doesn't have nearly the same impact. After that, we get a rehash of the first film's ending, with Superman turning back time again. It's nice to see that footage but unnecessary - why couldn't Superman just let Lois know the *TRUTH?

2. In the TV cut, we see Luthor and even the depowered Kryptonians arrested by the police. The theatrical cut deletes this but implies it. In the 2006 cut, the scene is missing entirely, after an abrupt cut. I guess here Luthor and the Kryptonians die when Superman destroys the Fortress of Solitude. Is Superman a killer? Why don't we see the bad guys brought to *JUSTICE?

3. I was shocked to see the 2006 cut omit the final scene where Superman returns the flag to the White House. "Good afternoon, Mr. President. Sorry I've been away for so long. I won't let you down again." After a film where Superman temporarily gave up being Superman, this is a great ending where he reaffirms who he is and what he stands for. Without it, Superman is hardly standing up for the *AMERICAN WAY.

In summary, the ending to the 2006 cut is missing only three things - Truth, Justice, and the American Way.
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Re: Movie Thread: The Dissection Room

Postby Garrett Gilchrist » Fri May 02, 2014 11:46 pm

Robert Pattinson talking about how bad “Twilight” is. Compilation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... BpNps3xATc
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Re: Movie Thread: The Dissection Room

Postby Garrett Gilchrist » Sat May 03, 2014 3:11 am

A missing psychedelic ending to Saul Bass's "Ant Movie" Phase IV ... found and screened. I remember this one from MST3K and the ending was pretty abrupt ....

http://badassdigest.com/2012/06/25/the- ... -and-seen/

Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beLpsWaUDNk

Here's the trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuhgBvOWb_k

The film is a dull one - taking a cue from 2001 but without its budget - but some of those visuals are genuinely memorable ...

Here's the shortened ending as released:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHWSAZ3fZsQ

I'm not going to give this film too much credit, but it's well shot for what it is and it's definitely better with that psychedelic ending than without it. As it is, you feel unsatisfied. The psychedelic ending is pretty random stuff but it fills that hole and would make you feel like you've been through something. It also conveys the point of the film - such as it is ...
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Re: Movie Thread: The Dissection Room

Postby Garrett Gilchrist » Wed May 07, 2014 3:08 am

A happy May 6th birthday to Orson Welles ... here's Welles' 1973 film F For Fake ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fclaJK5KDU
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Re: Movie Thread: The Dissection Room

Postby JustinHoskie » Wed May 07, 2014 8:41 pm

THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEW POWER RANGERS MOVIE! PANIC! PANIC! YOU SHOULD PANIC! (Stop panicking.) http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1351039 ... ature-film

I'm actually excited. I loved the first movie as a child (and I still do), I was into the show (I feel like I watched it until I was about 14 everyday before school), and a few months ago, I watched the first episode of Power Rangers Super Megaforce and liked it well enough. I'm just curious too see if it's going to be a continuation of the current series, and a bridge into the next, a continuation but a one-off (separate from the continuity, like the first movie), or a new story in the same universe, like Fantastic Beasts is to Harry Potter.
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Re: Movie Thread: The Dissection Room

Postby Garrett Gilchrist » Wed May 14, 2014 1:46 am

“I think [Hollywood] has achieved everything they’ve always dreamed of. The audience now seems to be very dumb, I mean they’re watching the same film again and again," he said. "They pay money to watch the same film. Now, you could argue, that’s because it makes them feel comfortable. When they go to a movie now, it’s almost like hearing a pop song. You know the rhythms, you know when the downbeat is going to come, you know when the explosion is going to come… And so as life becomes more complex, as the economy is in trouble, people cling to what makes them comfortable, so they go again and again to see the same movie.”
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