The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut

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Postby laser » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:12 pm

Hello, all! :)

I found out about The Thief a while ago, and I just totally fell in love with it. The animation is almost like CGI in the way it behaves, but much more impressive considering it was 100% hand-drawn!

Anyways, for some time now I've been trying to track down an original copy of the fabled Richard Williams workprint that appeared on Emule a while back. What I have right now is a .VOB DVD rip, which most likely means it's been compressed slightly, not to mention that it's cut off at the end (imcomplete download most likely). I would just love to have the original complete PAL AVI file in my possession, but there's no torrent to be found anywhere. (I read somewhere on this thread that a guy was going to make one, but it looks like that never happened.)

If someone on here that has the file could make a torrent or upload it somewhere, I would just hug them like crazy! :lol:
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Postby tygerbug » Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:02 pm

Hi Laser. Thanks for your interest. Even as the guy who compiled the Recobbled Cut, I don't have a complete copy of the Emule AVI workprint which was found by Erik Northfell. However, some people do. I think Erik does, maybe Patrick McCart?

I have an AVI which is ALMOST complete but missing certain scenes, and I think it's largely out of sync.

Hopefully you already have a copy of my Recobbled Cut, as that fixes the quality problems present in the workprint.


If you have a DVD of the Emule workprint, then I reaaaally doubt the AVI version would improve on the quality!

Where does your copy cut off at the end?
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Postby FemnFrott » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:29 pm

Just a little bit of news. Corny Cole, animator, CalArts faculty, and developer on Cobbler and production designer on Raggedy Ann and Andy has lost his home and everything in it (including years work, save for what he has in his office at CalArts, furniture, and pets) thanks to the recent fires in Southren California.

In other news, The Animator's Surivival Kit Animated will be showing on October 27th at the VanCity Theatre in Vancouver, British Columbia. Tickets will be avalible on Siggraph.ca, but they have yet to go on sale.
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Postby laser » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:26 pm

tygerbug wrote:Hopefully you already have a copy of my Recobbled Cut, as that fixes the quality problems present in the workprint.

Where does your copy cut off at the end?

I've had a look at your Recobbled Cut, and while I thank you very much for putting so much of your hard work into this lost masterpiece, it's not really my cup of tea. Certainly no offense, but I'm sort of a Thief purist. B)

My copy of the workprint cuts off in the middle of the war machine destruction sequence, right after the thief grabs the first gold ball.
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Postby Studio Toledo » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:51 pm

SpacePirateMonkey wrote: Just a little bit of news. Corny Cole, animator, CalArts faculty, and developer on Cobbler and production designer on Raggedy Ann and Andy has lost his home and everything in it (including years work, save for what he has in his office at CalArts, furniture, and pets) thanks to the recent fires in Southren California.

I was going to say something about that here as i found out via the Brew. Sad what happened, and as I hear Cal Arts is going to set up a fundraiser for him.
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Postby tygerbug » Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:28 am

Oh my god.


That's horrible.



Corny is a legend and well loved by his students and colleagues.




Terrible news. Hope things get better for him.


If anyone wants to contribute some money to Corny - and I know we had a lot of success getting donations when 35mm prints of The Thief work reels and Raggedy Ann and The Little Island had to be transferred --

Go to Cartoonbrew.com and tell Jerry or Amid you'd like to send Corny some cash - I'm sure they'd know something about how to help.
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Postby Og-ctufilms » Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:12 pm

tygerbug wrote: Hi Laser. Thanks for your interest. Even as the guy who compiled the Recobbled Cut, I don't have a complete copy of the Emule AVI workprint which was found by Erik Northfell. However, some people do. I think Erik does, maybe Patrick McCart?

I have an AVI which is ALMOST complete but missing certain scenes, and I think it's largely out of sync.

Hopefully you already have a copy of my Recobbled Cut, as that fixes the quality problems present in the workprint.


If you have a DVD of the Emule workprint, then I reaaaally doubt the AVI version would improve on the quality!

Where does your copy cut off at the end?

I've tried putting together a DVD-R image of the workprint, but my computer can't handle all the processing without Vegas crashing.

Any suggestions on how I can get this encoded? My raw video files are all MJPEG. Should I use a different codec?
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Re: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut

Postby Nailwraps » Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:58 pm

Richard Williams is appearing at the Balboa in San Francisco! Full link here:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0931530/news#ni0591930

Also check out some of the updates at The Thief Blog. Especially the October 12th one. It's said a Barbra Streisand look-a-like appeared in the scene where Zig-Zag's lackeys try to capture the 3 Golden Balls.
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Re: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut

Postby tygerbug » Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:19 pm

Dammit - I need to attend this - but this is kinda short notice ....

Diane Thodos sent me a bunch of images, sound and video from Richard Williams' talk at MOMA. Haven't looked at it yet, though. Karl Cohen of ASIFA-SF sent me a DVD promo for the Animator's Survival Kit Animated.


Animation—An Evening At the Balboa With Animation Legend Richard Williams

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November is lining up to be Animation Month here in San Francisco, not only with the San Francisco Film Society’s International Animation Festival mid-month, but kicking off with a rare public appearance by award-winning animator Richard Williams at San Francisco’s Balboa Theatre on Sunday, November 2, 7:00Pm. Winner of three Academy Awards, animation director of Who Framed Roger Rabbit? and author of the definite The Animator’s Survival Kit, Williams will be in the Bay Area to meet with animators at Pixar, Ilm and other effects and animation houses. He has agreed to appear at this public showing to benefit the local Animation Association, Asifa-sf. General Admission is $9.00. Seniors and children under 12 years are $6.50. Advance tickets are available here.

As Gary Meyer has advised, Richard Williams has been in the animation business for over 50 years. He created the Oscar-winning A Christmas Carol, directed the animation in Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
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Re: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut

Postby Nailwraps » Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:48 am

I just found this out today, but someone posted a High-Quality Version of The Liquidator Opening on Youtube...and in NTSC 2 months ago. Sadly, no sound effects are in there.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsg-6Qjbmr0

Here's another one in out of shape quality but in NTSC with the sound effects:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gK4bdtD_Ls

The opening starts at 3:15. Just so we're clear.
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Postby tygerbug » Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:22 am

Not exactly a revelation in quality over what we've got, though it is an improvement certainly.

SoundtrackCollector also posts: "TCM seem to show it quite regularly."

So, keep an eye out! Set your Tivos!
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Postby tygerbug » Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:10 am

Wish I'd been there. I found this post at:

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with Karl Cohen and Denise


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Richard Williams’ two shows at the Balboa Theater in San Francisco were a big success as ASIFA-SF benefits, and were delightful, enlightening and inspiring to attendees. Here’s just a few goodies we gleaned from the animation legend’s appearance:

—According to "Disney Old Man" Milt Kahl, everything you need to know about lipsync can be learned from watching Kermit the Frog.

—Warner Bros. animator Ken Harris was a great dance animator (see A Bear for Punishment) because he could dance well himself.

—These days, Williams tries not to think about The Thief and The Cobbler, his great, unfinished feature. (He also doesn’t think much about motion capture, for very different reasons.)

—He’s an Artist, not a Businessman, so when his studio was poached for talent after Who Framed Roger Rabbit?, he was actually relieved by the downsizing. "The Rabbit saved my life!" he said.

—The secret to his creativity is relentless research. Before animating anything Williams swipes, studies, copies and cadges what he needs from relevant source material. Or, as he quoted actor Michael Caine, "If you see something you like, steal it!"

—His animated logo for The Animator’s Survival Kit: Animated is two minutes long and required nine months of production.

—The best time to be an animator, he says, "Is right now! You can actually make a living, raise a family and have a life, the technology is exploding (although he thinks CGI is more like hi-tech puppeteering than animation) and there are more opportunities than ever!"

The one thing that Richard Williams did not discuss, but alluded to throughout the evening, is his next project, a personal work that harkens back to his roots which has been gestating for 50 years. What is that project? When will it be released? He wasn’t telling. But he’s doing virtually all the work himself, with only an assistant and a compositor to polish his animation. "It’s far out, it’s shocking, and I don’t know if anyone will care about it. But I need to do it."

Well, we all need to see it, Mr. Williams, and we’re waiting anxiously for its completion. Best of luck and Godspeed!

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And some photos from Annecy ..

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Photos from the 2D or Not 2D animation festival, courtesy of our friend Tony White.

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AND SO IT BEGINS!


The 2008 “2D OR NOT 2D Animation Festival” kicked off to a fabulous start last night with its superlative ‘preview event’… the RICHARD WILLIAMS masterclass lecture at the DigiPen Institute of Technology main campus in Redmond, WA.


As Richard Williams' own assistant in the formative years of my career, I was both proud and delighted to share with the audience something of this great teacher's infectious knowledge and charisma.

Richard Williams is undoubtedly the world’s most knowledgeable animator alive today. He captivated the 100+ professional audience that filled the Plato lecture theater with stories of his life, his animation universe and his hilarious encounters with many of Disney’s legendary ‘Nine Old Men’. His seamless presentation of a number of the core principles of animation was inspirational too of course.


Dick explains his hilarious 'pitcher' action sequence from one of the DVD lectures.

The seemingly tireless 75 year old master of animation had already conducted two private sessions to DigiPen students on the art campus earlier that day and yet he rose to the occasion in the evening with a tireless presentation of his captivating material, easily exceeding the 90-minute time slot that had been originally anticipated. The audience was full of admiration and enthusiasm when Dick opened the floor to Q&A throughout his talk and shared his impromptu advice and amusing anecdotal story illustrations in response. He actually remarked to me afterwards how intelligent and well informed he thought the Redmond animators were.


Dick explains the principle of forward motion with anticipation.

Central to Richard Williams’ presentation was the launch of his fabulous and unprecedented 16-disk, boxed DVD series of lectures and demonstrations that has effectively brought his firmly established ‘bible’ of animation… “The Animator’s Survival Kit”… to animated life. Initially planned as a 3-month animation exercise with filmed lectures added, the project took several years to complete. The result of this selfless dedication to spreading the word of top-level animation techniques is a remarkable lecture series collection of just about everything anyone would ever want to know about animation at the very highest level of its expression.

(Boxed sets of “The Animator’s Survival Kit ~ ANIMATED” can be ordered at the “2D OR NOT 2D Animation Festival” with a 20% discount from the listed price if a minimum of 20 orders can be generated at the event!)


A limited number of "The Animator's Survival Kit ~ ANIMATED" promo DVDs will be given-out as prizes during festival events.

Those privileged enough to hear Richard Williams speak last night clearly went away in awe of this animation master’s knowledge, as well as his undeniable skill in the art of animation. I am sure that every animator present also went away with a renewed determination to raise their game in terms of their own skills… but also with a greater appreciation of the fine artform that animation will forever be with inspirational masters like Richard Williams at its helm. The future looks very assured for the animation industry if this effect is felt wherever “The Animator’s Survival Kit ~ ANIMATED” DVD lecture series… or indeed the great man himself… are seen!


The maestro answers questions from an extremely well-informed audience, including several ex-Disney artists and animators who now teach at DigiPen.

No-doubt too, attendees at this event can now but only wonder what the other amazingly talented speakers appearing at the main festival event on November 14th/15th will have to offer. Richard Williams will be a hard act to follow but I have absolutely no doubts whatsoever there will be further wonders to dazzle and inspire us all when the time comes!

Tony. :^{)}=-


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And from this blog:
http://www.imageswithin.com/blog/

I attended the noon presentation of Richard Williams, author of The Animator’s Survival Kit and animation director of Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

He showed various clips from his new DVD set The Animator’s Survival Kit - Animated and answered a couple of questions. It was an informative presentation and entertaining. There were some animation techniques that had not occurred to me that made sense, specially after watching the clip.
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Postby tygerbug » Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:20 am

Karl Cohen of ASIFA-SF, who previously made me and my girlfriend guests in his lovely home while I hosted "An Evening of Richard Williams Animation," has sent me a special gift.

It's a cel of the Uniroyal Cat, from one of Richard's classic commercials.

I'm very pleased and thank Karl and Alan who donated it.
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Postby Nailwraps » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:43 pm

Wonderul to hear, Tygerbug! Anyway, I found this wonderful article over the the ol' Thief Blog that the blogger and animator Andrew Gordon have done an interview with Richard Williams.

You know where to go. ;) :
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Postby Nailwraps » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:47 am

Something happen to Arabian Knight Part 3/8 on youtube. Apparently people are saying it's not working and must have been taken off. Patrick, if you could, please re-upload Arabian Knight Part 3/8. Thanks. Also, if and when you upload the workprint on youtube, are you going to use high-quality animated scenes for scenes in the workprint that were completed? Thanks again.
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